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Green (?) trash liners...

Green (?) trash liners...

Just finished an article, in today's on-line "Contracting Profits" magazine, by environmental guru Stephen Ashkin (of The Ashkin Group), on the related topics of environmentally responsible restroom paper products, and trash can liners.Route montage elements_towels

We already use a Scott line of 100% recycled material in paper products, so Stephen's recommendation on paper is a no-brainer.

Trash can liners are a bit more interesting, as Stephen points out.  Two environmentally preferable options exist:

   1) Cornstarch based liners, which biodegrade, but only in compost set-ups, not regular landfills.  Not available, commercially, in Phoenix.

    2) Plastic liners containing 10% recycled material (to meet EPA's procurement guidelines).  Problem is, the recycled material creates weak spots in the plastic, leading to tears; the manufacturer uses thicker material to compensate, thus using more virgin material than in a stronger, 100% virgin bag.  Go figure.

We're exploring the option of not using liners at all, in those cans that generally receive only dry material (office paper, etc.).  It'll be interesting, seeing what the customers think.....anybody out there tried this?


Posted 10-20-2009 7:24 PM by Bob Croft

Comments

edselkow wrote re: Green (?) trash liners...
on 10-21-2009 4:54 PM

Once again, turning ourselves inside out to meet "green" mandates when there is just no sense to be made of it. Time for someone to tell the truth.

Steve Ashkin is making a fortune furthering nonsensical "green" fables.

Make no mistake about this, a very large portion of the "green" movement is a RELIGION, PURE AND SIMPLE.

I had an opportunity to meet with representatives of one of the largest solid waste companies in the world years ago when the recycling scam started circulating in a large multi-tenant building I had under contract. The subject was about recycling and the market for these materials and the fable that we were running out of space for trash.

I researched the subject and found out that the conventional wisdom and hysteria was a blatant lie. All of the trash for the entire United States, adjusted for population growth would fit in a 15 square mile area for the next 1,000 years. The entire issue about "no where to put the trash" was a complete fabrication.

I read one of Steve's articles where he referenced Al Gore as some kind of authority on environmental issues. Steve and Al are ON THE VERY SAME PAGE. By advancing non-scientific fables, wrapped in false packages about how "scientists" all agree, you can make lots of money.

Until one of my customers come to me with some mush-brained idea about the "danger" of plastic liners, I will deal with it then. Other wise why would you want to bring it to them?

Question - We are about to commit economic suicide on a national basis over CO2 emissions and "global warming". We have had record cold temperatures this year and there is no data that supports the theory beyond "computer models". Computer models CAN NOT ACCURATELY PREDICT THE CURRENT YEARS HURRICANES. How can those same models be correct about weather 10 and 20 years in the future??

I am old enough to remember all the nonsense these same folks were telling us back in the 1970s about what environmental disasters were supposed to take place in the future (in the 1990s). It was all nonsense back then and for some reason these same charlatans are hawking the same prophecies and the public is buying it hook line and sinker.

They were wrong then and they are still wrong, it's just that they are making a BIGGER fortune selling a false religion to junior college freshmen, idiot politicians and an uninformed, unread populace.

Bob Croft wrote re: Green (?) trash liners...
on 10-21-2009 7:10 PM

The point on trash can liners would be not the extra bulk in the landfill (even if I believed landfill space to be an issue, liners take up little space) but the petrolium that is used in the manufacture.  One can argue the carbon/global warming issue, but cannot argue that we are using up an important resource, and sending lots of cash overseas, often to regimes who don't like us a whole lot.  

phnxpete wrote re: Green (?) trash liners...
on 10-22-2009 1:23 AM

Well Cornstarch bags and if the get wet. A year or two back a 16 year old student found a way to make plastic decompose

plastic bags in 6 months.

Haven't checked the updates yet but there are answers

www.wired.com/.../teen-decomposes

As for the plastic recycling how much energy is used by those plants to break down into pellets and from there move on to products.

 Bob the remark about overseas are you referring to our shipping garbage overseas where they recycle it and we wind up buying paper and other products from them.

In other words our garbage goes to China and is bought back by us as paper etc.

Another example of outsourcing that could be done here. manufacturing overseas