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More on Swine Flu, and Germs in General...

Participating in ongoing discussion, regarding swine flu preparedness, on myfacilitiesnet, a site frequented by facility managers.  To help define terms, and real-world possibilities, I submitted the following:

    In restrooms, lunch areas, shower rooms, etc., we use a quat based hospital grade disinfectant (Johnson's Virex); after cleaning all areas, we mist the quat on, heavily, and leave to air dry - generally getting the required 10-minute dwell time.  In most restrooms, etc., with tiled walls, and floors designed Don't neglect the handrails... to flood rinse, we can leave surfaces wet for 10 minutes without damaging anything.

Office touch points present different challenges.  Some surfaces - drywall, unsealed wood - ought not be left wet for very long.  Vertical surfaces - doors & jambs, light switches, glass - are difficult to keep wet, especially in Phoenix's dry climate, without standing by the surface with a spray bottle for the 10 minutes - so achieving (or claiming) effective disinfection is unworkable.

Therefore, for touch-points around the office, we use a hydrogen-peroxide product, Johnson's Alpha HP.  At least according to the research lab that developed the product, it achieves effective sanitation in 30 to 60 seconds, depending on the pathogen; this is much more easily achieved, with a sanitizer-saturated cloth (microfiber, so you physically remove most of the germs in addition to killing them).  The product is also a better cleaner than the neutral cleaner it replaces in our system, so we remove grime and prints at the same time.  Being mostly HP (with trace amounts of surfactant, chelating agent, etc.), the product residue is environmentally and personally friendly.

Naturally, we've squirreled away a supply of gloves and face masks (in addition to usual requirements), just in case, and offer to provide clients with sanitizing wipes for daytime use.


Posted 10-23-2009 12:36 PM by Bob Croft

Comments

phnxpete wrote re: More on Swine Flu, and Germs in General...
on 10-24-2009 2:23 PM

Bob,

Wondering especially for the large surface areas why not use dry steam vapor. There are a number of manufacturers and

but you use less chemicals the disinfect ion is 5-10 seconds in most cases and because of the steam there is less chance of cross contamination.

I'm not saying eliminate but less chemicals, dry times and

an proven disinfectant agent seems a better way to go.

alelkes wrote re: More on Swine Flu, and Germs in General...
on 11-12-2009 8:51 AM

I think you must use industrial type of steam generator which will operate on 220 volt. Otherwise you may not get much steam if any. Be awre the fact that steam in NOT visible. If you see something coming out of the end of the tube that is HOT water.

Bob Croft wrote re: More on Swine Flu, and Germs in General...
on 11-12-2009 2:50 PM

Keep in mind the difference between cleaning and disinfection (or sanitation).  Restrooms especially, you need to thoroughly clean (remove "dirt") before disinfecting (killing pathogens).  Without cleaning first, the grems, essentially, have places to hide in the dirt, hard water deposits, etc.

Cleaning usually will involve a brush, sponge, cloth or microfiber wipe.  Any can cross-contaminate, if not used carefully.  We use, and dispose of, paper towels, so as to not move contaminates from one fixture to the next.

Either a misted on disinfectant or steam will disinfect; neither will clean.